Curse

Mr The Plauge · May 29, 2007, 07:22 AM // 07:22

unid item sales are usually fine because theyre garbage weapons usually sold for the cost of 1-2k for acquiring a title. theres a problem of more knowledgable players who can pre test items for every mod including dmg modifiers and sell them for absurd prices, taking advantage of uninformed players. the anet team does a good job of stopping the possibilites of scams from happening. my suggestion for this scam would be for anet to make a change to unidentified items where the items couldnt give any hp bonus when equipped, sundering dmg vs tested target...etc, you get the point. this is an exploit that has been abused for a very long time now and it would please me to see it thwarted.

anyways, on this forum im usually logged on with the user name Grasping Darkness. had an issue with logging in on that name with this laptop where i would sign in and hit the post new thread button and this site would log me out. i gave away my pc to my best friend to enjoy while im in prison for 8-10 starting tomorrow..

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Full Metal X · May 29, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by Mr The Plauge

unid item sales are usually fine because theyre garbage weapons usually sold for the cost of 1-2k for acquiring a title.

Most of the time people only buy unid golds for the title anwyays and the only time it becomes a problem is rare skins say a rare zodiac shield or something, so if its a rare skin dont buy it. Just stick to the garbage wands and offhands and such because 99% of the time a rare skin is a scam.

holababe · May 29, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Not technically a scam either

fenix · May 29, 2007, 07:33 AM // 07:33

It's not a scam, but it isn't legit. They should remove the option to test mods, it's not very fair to be able to find out what you have, without seeing it.

mr_groovy · May 29, 2007, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by fenix

It's not a scam, but it isn't legit. They should remove the option to test mods, it's not very fair to be able to find out what you have, without seeing it.

Fail
If you would do that the prices of unid items would go up, making wisdom title really expensive

I wouldn't sell my unid anymore ^^, then again I don't sell unid period because I'm still going for wisdom on my monk

fenix · May 29, 2007, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Exactly. The Wisdom title wasn't intended to be bought. It's meant to show that you've ID'd a lot of items. Not that you spent a heap of gold to ID other people's items.

Brianna · May 29, 2007, 08:07 AM // 08:07

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Originally Posted by fenix

Exactly. The Wisdom title wasn't intended to be bought. It's meant to show that you've ID'd a lot of items. Not that you spent a heap of gold to ID other people's items.

Quote for truth. I'd like to see this get nerfed because it seems like a broken game mechanic, you should only be able to know mods after it has been identified, thats what unidentified means, you don't know the mods! for you cannot see them. So i would /sign for a fix from anet or something, It's truthful that buying any unid for over 1k is a ripoff.

Destinyy · May 29, 2007, 08:11 AM // 08:11

Buying the ID title is actually just STOOPID if you ask me, Spending 100K just to get the 1st title step is crazy!!! Farm it, My necro has the lvl1 title and that's purely through her 55 farming expeditions...

I bought a few unid bows the other day from some dude, but that was cos I have just started a ranger and wanted to see if I could string a nice bow together for her... I ended up with a sundering caged shortbow of fortetude with +5energy...

for 8K

Patrick Smit · May 29, 2007, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Quote for truth. I'd like to see this get nerfed because it seems like a broken game mechanic, you should only be able to know mods after it has been identified, thats what unidentified means, you don't know the mods! for you cannot see them. So i would /sign for a fix from anet or something, It's truthful that buying any unid for over 1k is a ripoff.

If you are a professional antiquarian you will assess others people old stuff, and u gain expertise in doing so, I wouldn't see why this is broken then? Like professors knowing a lot, you really think they did every experiment themselves? They buy knowledge as well.

Destiny the title is a bit more expensive then 100 k, as u need to identify 10000 golds for 1000 gold at least. That would mean 10000k so its not so easily bought, unless u ebay.

fenix · May 29, 2007, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Yes it isn't easily bought, but assuming you can get SOME money back from the ID'd items, it'll cost a lot less than 10000k.

Each ID'd item will probably be ~200g at the merchant, which makes it 8000k max. If you get a close to max mod, that's another 500g, give or take. That makes it 3000k. If you get something GOOD, then it'll be worth more. So you see, if you can salvage stuff to sell, or even just merch, the total cost can drop a fair bit.

Which means that it's easier to buy. Because in some cases the ID's can pay for themselves (sometimes you get real lucky with items). Which is why it needs fixing.

Patrick Smit · May 29, 2007, 08:35 AM // 08:35

comeon the returns on golds are usually crap. perfect mods drop only very seldom, the return u estimate for it at 5000k is way too big. Only good mods (fortitude and such) are worth the time for selling. The armor crap on staves and such is almost worthless these days, and even if they are worth something, the question whether selling them is actually time efficient compared to farming or whatever.

If the title cost only half the investment, then this is still a fair bit 5000 platinum is quite a lot. Soul reaping was broken, this isn't, this is just economics. whether u should be able to assess the powers of the golden item is indeed questionable, but I guess that gold farmers only test this on rare skins, u wouldnt have the time to test it on all items found, although some like fortitude are easy to find.

Buying the title isn't problematic except that it might invoke people to do stuff that is not in line with the EULA, but that is their responsability, not yours.

freekedoutfish · May 29, 2007, 08:35 AM // 08:35

I dont quite get what the scam is?

If you knowingly buy an UI gold item, and later find out you were either over-charged, or you sold it for too little, then thats your own fault.

A scam is when someone lies about what an item is, and sells it to you for more then its worth, and other similar situations.

Because UI are "unidentified", then its your own daft fault if you sell a rare item for too low a value, or you buy one for too much. The seller or buyer isnt scamming you just because you get the wrong price.

DarkGanni · May 29, 2007, 08:42 AM // 08:42

It's not a scam, If players don't know that you can test weapons it's not the sellers fault but the buyer's for his lack of knowledge in the game.

I don't see the reason to place such a nerf just cause certain players dont know how to trade on certain items

- Ganni

Brianna · May 29, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

It's not a scam, If players don't know that you can test weapons it's not the sellers fault but the buyer's for his lack of knowledge in the game.

I don't see the reason to place such a nerf just cause certain players dont know how to trade on certain items

- Ganni

No, thats not why it should be nerfed, (''because players dont know how to trade on certain items) it's because items ARENT SUPPOSED TO WORK THIS way, unid means you cannot see the mods and you should not know them until it is IDENTIFIED! perhaps you should look up those definitions and see what they mean, it makes a lot of sense.

rogh daxh · May 29, 2007, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by Brianna

No, thats not why it should be nerfed, (''because players dont know how to trade on certain items) it's because items ARENT SUPPOSED TO WORK THIS way, unid means you cannot see the mods and you should not know them until it is IDENTIFIED! perhaps you should look up those definitions and see what they mean, it makes a lot of sense.

AMEN, nuff said :P

Luna Star · May 29, 2007, 09:21 AM // 09:21

I agree with others, you shouldn't be able to know what the mods are till the item is id'ed, so mods shouldn't show.
Anyway it's not a scam.

SuperDave · May 29, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Many people opt to advance their title by buying a few unids for 1k, fair enough. But buying an unid for more then that just because it's a desirable skin and "might" have a rare mod on is just stupid, seeing as it can be tested by the seller.

So, if you want to risk that and shoot yourself in the foot, go ahead. Be stupid. I honestly don't see it as a scam if the buyer fails to use some common sense.

I see so many people trying to sell unid rare skin weapons for close to the current market value of that item if it had good stats. I just choose to ignore those sellers, and so should the majority of people. ID it first, then we can start the haggling.

Destinyy · May 29, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

I wont pay more than 8K for 7 unid... If the guys insists he has a better modded unid and wants 3K for it I will call "bull S**t" on him and move on...

Once i have my title and I have no need for unid anymore, I will test them myself before I sell em for 1K just to make sure I dont want it...

Brianna · May 29, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by JesusChrist

The weapon has magical properties, or certain bonuses. Your character simply needs to identify them to recognize them. However, they don't just 'not have' the properties because a character doesn't know what they are.

/notsigned

It's not about the char, its about you, YOU as a player shouldn't know what the mods are till the item is id'd.. It's really simple if you use common sense lol. It's like having x-ray vision on your presents before you get them, It's just not supposed to be that way.

fenix · May 29, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

The issue isn't about scamming. You can scam anyone with anything. The issue is that you can equip items and tell what mods they have (almost exactly what they have), without Identifying them. Which COMPLETELY defeats the purpose. Being able to tell what items are good or bad, then choosing which ones to ID, and which to sell as UNID'd, it's not what Anet intended when they made Guild Wars. It should be fixed.